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logiclife
01-23 06:06 PM
Sorry, we cannot allow profanity here even if it has a couple of ** in it.
Rest assured, I feel the same way. 18 months prison time is nothing for the amount of damage that these desi employer maggots are doing to everyone. It should be atleast 5 years so that he can have time to think about these things.
Rest assured, I feel the same way. 18 months prison time is nothing for the amount of damage that these desi employer maggots are doing to everyone. It should be atleast 5 years so that he can have time to think about these things.
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vine93
09-23 05:12 PM
Nixtor,
This idea makes much sense and I am for it.
Only hitch is how fruitful it would be launching it now. Why not to wait for next season ( Probably Democrats ).
This idea makes much sense and I am for it.
Only hitch is how fruitful it would be launching it now. Why not to wait for next season ( Probably Democrats ).
kanakabyraju
09-04 08:13 PM
We are called dogs, because we discuss things, then what are we called if we don't and accept things in India as they are.
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logiclife
02-12 01:17 PM
I have seen this dog and pony show one too many times. Every year, people think that next year's quota of 140,000 will cause the dates for India and China to go forward in the October Bulletin. October will be the end of misery.
Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.
So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
Each year, in October bulletin, for India/China EB3, the dates are either stagnant or they go back to 1998 or 1999.
The thing is, as long as there is this per-country quota rationing of green cards, ROW folks will keep moving to the HOV lane and each year, in Oct to Dec timeframe their dates will get current and they will get GCs.
And each year, the dates for India and China will keep yo-yoing between 1998 and 2002, will never move forward, because if per-country limits are applied to 140,000 greencards, then there is very very little leftover that flows to India/China.
So without an increase in Quota or without removal of per-country discrimination, nothing is going to happen either in Oct 2008 or Oct 2009 or Oct 2010. It will keep fluctuating between 1998 and 2002. That is the bracket for India and China.
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walking_dude
02-13 02:16 PM
Are you even reading my posts?!
If visa numbers are increased along with elimination of country quotas ROW will not be impacted significantly. That's what has been posted a hundred times here. Yet, some of you refuse to see reason!
If IV succeeds ROW waiting times will also be significantly reduced due to combination of visa number increase and recapture. That should be the incentive for ROW.
Are you suggesting that IV's efforts would increase the wait times for ROW?
What incentive does ROW have to work with IV then?
If visa numbers are increased along with elimination of country quotas ROW will not be impacted significantly. That's what has been posted a hundred times here. Yet, some of you refuse to see reason!
If IV succeeds ROW waiting times will also be significantly reduced due to combination of visa number increase and recapture. That should be the incentive for ROW.
Are you suggesting that IV's efforts would increase the wait times for ROW?
What incentive does ROW have to work with IV then?
srkamath
07-17 11:42 AM
The Problem is isolating EB-2 India from the Perm Approvals.
EB2 were ~ 35% of India approvals between Mar-05 to Oct-05, then it ramped up to ~65% - 70% for most of FY 2006.
Total EB2 IN cases per year 2006 onwards were north of 18,000, which implies at least 40,000 Visas including dependants.
Method: Apply filters for - Approved - India - Level I - bakers, cooks, elementary school teachers etc.
This will slightly overestimate the EB2 IN numbers.
Remember to remove the previous year's applicants as their PD will be the previous year, add them to the prev. year's estimate.
EB2 were ~ 35% of India approvals between Mar-05 to Oct-05, then it ramped up to ~65% - 70% for most of FY 2006.
Total EB2 IN cases per year 2006 onwards were north of 18,000, which implies at least 40,000 Visas including dependants.
Method: Apply filters for - Approved - India - Level I - bakers, cooks, elementary school teachers etc.
This will slightly overestimate the EB2 IN numbers.
Remember to remove the previous year's applicants as their PD will be the previous year, add them to the prev. year's estimate.
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go_guy123
03-17 11:13 AM
such people cut in line in front of us and don't even bother paying money to IV. Why should we give them free advice. If they can spend money buying labor for 20K they can spend hundred dollars and consult a lawyer and ask their question. It is with such mentaility they are brought up with in their country- Currption and getting things done with money. But never paying anyone for a just cause. In my country people contribute only when they fear god in temples, for medical treatment or to astrologers!!
At least on this forum we can have the resolve to fight such people who are hurting most of us.
Good that DOL/USCIS is getting rid of labor selling by voiding after 45 days
( in the final rule that might be raised a bit ...to 90days ...which is justified and reasonable)
At least on this forum we can have the resolve to fight such people who are hurting most of us.
Good that DOL/USCIS is getting rid of labor selling by voiding after 45 days
( in the final rule that might be raised a bit ...to 90days ...which is justified and reasonable)
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onemoredesi
05-15 08:38 PM
Hello Friends and my fellow GC awaiters..
I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.
Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
Pls let me know your opinion.
Thx a lot guys.
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I have my labor pending for the past 3 yrs (my PD is Aug 2003) and have been waiting for ever. Inspite having a Master's I did filee in EB3 just because I work for a large company which does not allow to file in EB2.
Anyways, I came across a company who said that they have a pre approved labor (late 2002) priority date. Is it wise to go for it or wait for something in EB category to move ahead?. I have at least 1 yr 3 months on H1 and will not have any other options except to stay in the company after 3 months.
Is it worth taking the risk and go with the labor substitution?
The second question/advice I'd like from you is:
If I go back to the same company after 6 months because of some issue with the labor can I still preserve my 2003 PD?
Pls let me know your opinion.
Thx a lot guys.
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies
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venetian
05-12 01:40 PM
If you are talking about SL Tamils, they are not immigrants but are the native sons of northern part of the present geographical area known as Sri Lanka. Before Europeans came, they had their own kingdom but when finally British left, they left it with hands of the narrow minded majority, who started to discriminate ingenious Tamils left and right.
Of course there are Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka who were taken by British to work in the tea plantations.
Current issue in Sri Lanka is between native Tamils and Sinhalese. Indian Tamils factor very minimal.
Do some research before making a comment about entire ethnicity.
Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".
And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.
Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.
To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.
Of course there are Indian Tamils in Sri Lanka who were taken by British to work in the tea plantations.
Current issue in Sri Lanka is between native Tamils and Sinhalese. Indian Tamils factor very minimal.
Do some research before making a comment about entire ethnicity.
Can I ask a question - tangential, maybe, but not by much. Why do Tamils have such a problem assimilating? Why don't they learn the local language and respect the local culture when they immigrate? Their motto seems to be "In Rome, be a Raman".
And the opposite is true when people speaking other languages settle in Tamil majority areas - they are, dare I say, forced to integrate, because that is the only way one can manage to live on a day-to-day basis. Would Tamils ever allow a non-Tamil minority to gain even a tiny foothold in their areas where the Tamil writ would not run? I doubt it.
Note that I am a firm believer of learning and respecting the local culture and integration. One does have a 'right' to propagate one's own language and culture, but they lose that right substantially when they emigrate to an alien land - whether it is within the same country or not.
To extend the logic, when we (mostly people of Indian origin in this group, I would assume) immigrate to the US, while we may try to conserve our heritage in private, we cannot impose it on the locals. That is when you end up creating ill-will against immigrants among the native population. America has been a great melting-pot, and has had great success assimilating great waves of immigrants from various countries including Italy, Ireland, Scandinavia, Germany etc, and the reason it succeeded was that in a couple of generations, there was total integration into the American culture. We owe it to our adopted country to do the same.
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rkg000
09-05 08:42 PM
Yo breddy2000, nobody is calling you names man, but you are getting personal. Is YSR your father ?????.
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ganguteli
06-04 03:28 PM
The EAD/AC21 is still only available to those who are July 07 filers. There are many who have missed the oppurtunity. What many people are asking for is for something such that anyone can change a job after some given time, irrespective of Visa number availability. Even for those with EAD's, you are still restricted to be in the same field. So if you want a career move and do an MBA or acquire new skills to change your career, you cannot do that (unless EAD is for a dependent). If this is not pigeoning people, what is.
No point trying to get EAD for non AOS filers.
We should rather ask for faster processing of applications, transparency and more accountability.
EAD also has lot of restrictions and our goal should be faster green cards through faster processing and more visa numbers.
No point trying to get EAD for non AOS filers.
We should rather ask for faster processing of applications, transparency and more accountability.
EAD also has lot of restrictions and our goal should be faster green cards through faster processing and more visa numbers.
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sroyc
02-14 11:59 AM
I was watching an episode of the BBC series - Planet Earth where people involved in the conservation and protection of the tiger and other endangered animals were lamenting about how difficult it is for the intellectuals to convince those living close to these animal habitats to help in conservation when they are not able to feed their children and are affected by the tiger killing farm animals.
This is not exactly similar to the ROW Vs India/China debate. I'm definitely not implying that ROW applicants are not intellectuals. The gist of what I've learnt from that episode was that we cannot push for removal of per country quotas without significantly speeding the processing times for everyone. I have no doubt that the per country quota is unfair to people from countries with large populations simply because we are representing ourselves and not our countries here. (We have been bracketed according to the country of birth in order for USCIS to enforce the current immigration laws.) But at the same time, we'll lose the much required support of ROW members if our approach is to unload a few years of our misery on them.
With so many people stuck in the backlog, we definitely need a one-time fix to flush the queue before we can lobby for removal of per country quotas.
This is not exactly similar to the ROW Vs India/China debate. I'm definitely not implying that ROW applicants are not intellectuals. The gist of what I've learnt from that episode was that we cannot push for removal of per country quotas without significantly speeding the processing times for everyone. I have no doubt that the per country quota is unfair to people from countries with large populations simply because we are representing ourselves and not our countries here. (We have been bracketed according to the country of birth in order for USCIS to enforce the current immigration laws.) But at the same time, we'll lose the much required support of ROW members if our approach is to unload a few years of our misery on them.
With so many people stuck in the backlog, we definitely need a one-time fix to flush the queue before we can lobby for removal of per country quotas.
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Ramba
05-12 12:26 AM
I am an Indian and my native tongue is not Tamil. I donot consider the issue in Srilanka as Tamil issue. I don't consider it as Indian issue either. I consider it as Srilankan issue.
Hope this addresses some of your questions.
Being a NRI in US, your conclusion is it is a SL issue, not a India issue. This is because you enjoy freedom, safety and opportunity in USA, even though you are just a non-immigrant in USA. Hope it will continue. If your job, safety, security, life becomes danger here, then do not get help from India or Indian consulate in USA; because it is a "US issue" as per your logic.
Hope this addresses some of your questions.
Being a NRI in US, your conclusion is it is a SL issue, not a India issue. This is because you enjoy freedom, safety and opportunity in USA, even though you are just a non-immigrant in USA. Hope it will continue. If your job, safety, security, life becomes danger here, then do not get help from India or Indian consulate in USA; because it is a "US issue" as per your logic.
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NKR
02-19 02:51 PM
NKR, my friend, i'm puzzled, u speak of in-state tuition, visa stamping, life insurance.. how is that different for ROWs from others, we are all the same in that, we are all the same being skilled immigrants all of us, when i complain that someone says indians and chinese are here in larger numbers because they are best and brightest and ask them to be sensitive it doesn't mean that we all suffer the same hardships.. when i state the fact that bodyshops contributed to the longer lines for some countries i don't say i'm indifferent to your suffering, but i also say it can't be fixed by making another group suffer
peace..
You have to look at the context in which my comments were made. Somebody said that H4 spouses go to college and pay instate fees but they have to pay international fees. I never said that ROW people do not have any of those problems but it just that we have to endure that for some more years. Having said that, I reiterate that I want my GC fast but not at the expense of ROW people. They do not have to endure a longer wait.
I thought this thread was given a decent burial, I could trust only you to bring this thread back to life with your hidden agenda of driving a wedge between Indians/Chinese and ROW.
peace..
You have to look at the context in which my comments were made. Somebody said that H4 spouses go to college and pay instate fees but they have to pay international fees. I never said that ROW people do not have any of those problems but it just that we have to endure that for some more years. Having said that, I reiterate that I want my GC fast but not at the expense of ROW people. They do not have to endure a longer wait.
I thought this thread was given a decent burial, I could trust only you to bring this thread back to life with your hidden agenda of driving a wedge between Indians/Chinese and ROW.
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07-03 05:30 PM
I am working on this... I will get you 100 or even more by 10 p.m. today..
Hi all,
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
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if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
Hi all,
Regarding the recent goofup by USCIS, please rate this story
http://digg.com/politics/No_July_4th_Celebrations_for_Highly_Skilled_Future _Americans/who
if this receives more than 100 users rating for the story in next 5-10 hours - it would be displayed on the first page. Digg.com is read by hundreds of thousands of web users and there is high chance of getting picked by main stream media.
Note that you ll have to signup as digg.com member to rate it - it ll just take 30 secs of your time.
Sorry I wasn't able to submit the official IV prlog.com url since it is not accepted by Digg.
thanks.
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bfadlia
02-15 12:57 PM
You guys keep saying diversity is a FB immigration problem only not EB, hence no cap needed in EB.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Let's stay united and focus on the orignal agenda. Removing country based caps from Employment Based Green cards is a valid agenda and is been there before this VB popped up. Skills don't need a cap.Business should be able to hire best and brightest here without any country limits.
Enforce country cap on Family based GC/DV lotterry for the diversity sake. FYI India and China don't have access to DV Lottery. This system is insane and let's not fight among ourselves to defend this crappy immigration system. . U may see ROW retrogress to 1998 in next VB and what will u say then ?. Bottom line is Fighting will not take us anywhere and changing this unpredictable system will be the only way to go.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Let's stay united and focus on the orignal agenda. Removing country based caps from Employment Based Green cards is a valid agenda and is been there before this VB popped up. Skills don't need a cap.Business should be able to hire best and brightest here without any country limits.
Enforce country cap on Family based GC/DV lotterry for the diversity sake. FYI India and China don't have access to DV Lottery. This system is insane and let's not fight among ourselves to defend this crappy immigration system. . U may see ROW retrogress to 1998 in next VB and what will u say then ?. Bottom line is Fighting will not take us anywhere and changing this unpredictable system will be the only way to go.
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mbawa2574
02-15 07:12 PM
People would like to see India as land of snake charmers, cows blocking roads etc.
They can't digest IITians coming to MIT, Stanford etc. :-)
I agree man. There is shortage of skills but none of ignorance.:)
They can't digest IITians coming to MIT, Stanford etc. :-)
I agree man. There is shortage of skills but none of ignorance.:)
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sidbee
02-15 02:44 PM
I dont understand the whole point of discussion here ... What does the IV Senior Members think about this , The idea of a lawsuit to capture the loss immigrant visas, is not against USCIS, its against the system. Infact the USCIS should be on our side, as per the USCIS Ombudsman, Mr .
Atleast we should try , discussing and cribbing on the forum wont help.
Atleast we should try , discussing and cribbing on the forum wont help.
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01-19 11:34 AM
Dude, I don't know where you come from but you have a very thorough and deep knowledge of how to run the prostitution business. However, I am sorry to say that you know nothing about consulting business.
You call desi consulting companies whatever bad names you want, but the truth is that consulting companies are the one who:
1. Files for GC, the way you ask with no questions asked. (nothing illegal about it)
2. Helps you maintain legal status while you are on the bench ... If you are working for non-desi company and your services are not required, you get a pink slip.
3. Pay you per you skills. Contrary to general conceptions, desi consulting companies pay you appropriately (at least most of them) per the billing rate they get from client. Remember it involves cost to run you payroll like payroll taxes and salary of employees, so you can't keep 100% of billing rate.
Desi consulting companies are not always a blood sucker and desi consultants are not idiots. Infact they are may be more skilled than a IT profession working in big-shot American IT company and doing the same job for last 5 years. Consulting provides you a new job and new set of challenges and technologies to work with every now and then.
Consultants are the work force driving American IT needs.
In fact consider the consulting business like prostitution and the h1b consulting companies as no more then pimp.No matter whether my sister or I work for the same.Let me explain the business processes of two for you.
1.Client is most important in both the cases.No matter how client mistreated you , the pimp will take you to different client but will never snub the client.
2.You work at client site on odd hour.
3.It's pimp's job to keep pros under control and scare them of consequences for deserting them. H1b is one such tool and another is too restrictive contract ( 18 months etc ).
4.If your tech skill got outdated they will dump you ( regardless of contract ) . Old pros becomes "Mausi" and old consultant opens Consulting co and starts h1b hiring.
5.If you have to have latest skill and for every new engagement client will select from many resume like in pros business. Pros do make etc to be in market.
6. Pimp will not like the contract to hire clause but h1b/pros will like to have that.
7. when some one enforces law to ban the business organize protest march of pros . have you seen any protest march by pimps ? Same here , protest march by h1b consultant not by consulting co.
Try to observe the prostitution business and your profession and there is not much differences except we have illusion and they don't.
You call desi consulting companies whatever bad names you want, but the truth is that consulting companies are the one who:
1. Files for GC, the way you ask with no questions asked. (nothing illegal about it)
2. Helps you maintain legal status while you are on the bench ... If you are working for non-desi company and your services are not required, you get a pink slip.
3. Pay you per you skills. Contrary to general conceptions, desi consulting companies pay you appropriately (at least most of them) per the billing rate they get from client. Remember it involves cost to run you payroll like payroll taxes and salary of employees, so you can't keep 100% of billing rate.
Desi consulting companies are not always a blood sucker and desi consultants are not idiots. Infact they are may be more skilled than a IT profession working in big-shot American IT company and doing the same job for last 5 years. Consulting provides you a new job and new set of challenges and technologies to work with every now and then.
Consultants are the work force driving American IT needs.
In fact consider the consulting business like prostitution and the h1b consulting companies as no more then pimp.No matter whether my sister or I work for the same.Let me explain the business processes of two for you.
1.Client is most important in both the cases.No matter how client mistreated you , the pimp will take you to different client but will never snub the client.
2.You work at client site on odd hour.
3.It's pimp's job to keep pros under control and scare them of consequences for deserting them. H1b is one such tool and another is too restrictive contract ( 18 months etc ).
4.If your tech skill got outdated they will dump you ( regardless of contract ) . Old pros becomes "Mausi" and old consultant opens Consulting co and starts h1b hiring.
5.If you have to have latest skill and for every new engagement client will select from many resume like in pros business. Pros do make etc to be in market.
6. Pimp will not like the contract to hire clause but h1b/pros will like to have that.
7. when some one enforces law to ban the business organize protest march of pros . have you seen any protest march by pimps ? Same here , protest march by h1b consultant not by consulting co.
Try to observe the prostitution business and your profession and there is not much differences except we have illusion and they don't.
injrav
08-03 12:52 PM
This only proves that this is an important immigrant issue. Pappu should help educate every one.
Hi TravInd
keep going on man
you are the Pappu of this Thread
Hi TravInd
keep going on man
you are the Pappu of this Thread
unseenguy
08-16 06:14 PM
In that case we have to do it everyday...not only when SRk was detained. are you doing that...no. Why?
There is difference between a common man and a celebrity. We did make noise about Abdul Kalam and Fernandez when the news came out. I think SRK was right to make an issue out of it.
I have been through secondary once and frisked about 4-5 times as a "singled out" case. Man I hated it, whole flight was watching what was going on. What if I make an issue? It will be dismissed as everyone goes through it.
When I went for secondary exam , I was released with 5 mins of questioning but was made to wait 30 mins. The secondary officer was nice, but the primary inspection officer was really mean. She picked on me coz I was smiling in the queue and talking to other people. and I laughed at the jokes cracked by other immigration officers.
3 out of 4 frisking incidents were insensitive and derogatory.
But voice of celebrity has more credence to it.
There is difference between a common man and a celebrity. We did make noise about Abdul Kalam and Fernandez when the news came out. I think SRK was right to make an issue out of it.
I have been through secondary once and frisked about 4-5 times as a "singled out" case. Man I hated it, whole flight was watching what was going on. What if I make an issue? It will be dismissed as everyone goes through it.
When I went for secondary exam , I was released with 5 mins of questioning but was made to wait 30 mins. The secondary officer was nice, but the primary inspection officer was really mean. She picked on me coz I was smiling in the queue and talking to other people. and I laughed at the jokes cracked by other immigration officers.
3 out of 4 frisking incidents were insensitive and derogatory.
But voice of celebrity has more credence to it.
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