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  • 485Mbe4001
    06-01 02:01 PM
    how does $2000000000 PER YEAR sound (200k * 10k) assume there are 200k who are waiting with little hope of visa movement and we have to return to our countries... every year we provide $2,000,000,000 to SSA and Medicare..some of us are waiting for 10-12 years..that is a bunch of money we are collectively losing. I am sure that number is larger if we analyze the real impact. Effectively we are getting a ~10-12% haircut, followed by a 25-30% 'hajamat' (haircut in my language) in terms of taxes :)

    Anti's and lawmaker should know that we are contributing a ton of money...besides paying taxes and spending money..


    Lets start writing to authorities about SSA money. This is the best time to ask for it because we are in a recession. They won't be able to make a decision but may remove country quota.

    Can we make a letter with all the issues we are facing and mail it to all the authorities.

    Can somebody summarise the thread and we look for a action plan. Please do it soon before the fire burns out

    J thomas





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  • JazzByTheBay
    12-13 04:31 PM
    Wouldn't you think? If we have enough resources (a membership-based IV), perhaps we could explore the possibility of legal action, perhaps even a class action (not a lawyer myself... so not sure if that's in the realm of possibility... ), against this unconstitutional statute that restricts skilled folks from certain countries on the basis of diversity.

    Diversity would be OK if folks from other countries weren't getting their Green Cards because of lack of immigrant visa numbers (in absence of per-country quota). But if each year the annual quotas of 140K aren't beint utilized, there's no rationale for restricting folks born in certain countries even though they have the necessary skills, imo.

    Overall, treating countries with a population of 1 billion and over the same as countries with a lower population than the city of Los Angeles is insane.

    jazz

    employment base makes up only about 11% of all immigration
    the country would not be "colonized" by choosing people for this category on merit alone. as for 90%- this is too is frankly a wave in my view, all things change, for now many Indian techs want to come and they have jobs available, tomorrow one or both of those things may not be true. But none that justifies treating people differently because of where they are born.

    this is entirely my personal opinion: if extended families (like adult siblings and their entire families) were excluded from FB, country quotas would lose some of their "need" and FB would not have to be the overwhelming majority of immigration numbers.

    How about I ask you why the "diversity" is not needed in other things. how about a quota for religion? profession? color of skin...? all those can be diversity issue. What if I said not more than 7% STEM graduates? I'm sure the Programmers Guild would agree. If you don't like those ideas, why country of birth?

    The fact remains though that EB is a skill based category. If I or you(?) join a company with identical (or better) credentials as someone from Congo/Sweden/Belize (whatever), they would have an EB2 GC in 1-2 years, we would sit for 10 and stew under multiple career holds and restrictions. Since no body from India would ever get the EB2 GC quickly, an entire subset of immigrants (based on country of birth) are ALWAYS held behind. You are presuming that somehow this benefits the US. Get skilled immigrants- but don't let a whole bunch of them rise to their levels of ability because they were born wrong. I am at a disadvantage because other people from my country applied for a GC. But when my employer takes me on, he does not care where I was born. My skillset has nothing to do with it. Why is my application (which is based on that employer and my skillset) hostage to something that is not even in the equation? This country is about individual freedom. I am here and an applicant for GC as an individual. What do I have to do with others who apply?

    Fair? You decide.





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  • ebizash
    07-27 01:15 PM
    What has EB5 to do with amway?
    Did I mention I'm making millions? Obviously on the way, but atleast I have something to fall back to if I loose my job. Do you?

    Really... Millions... Have you checked the disclaimer in your lit pack under the 6-4-3 plan. A typical IBO makes $115 a month... Amway / BWW was forced to put this statement because of a lawsuit brought by Amway Diamonds and Double Diamonds... You can google...

    I know you will now state that "you don't want to be an average... an average corporate employee makes $30K.. etc.. etc.." (Straight from Brad Duncan's CD) I have used it myself hundreds of times on the prospects...

    "..veracity of this statement"
    Sure pick up the phone and dial IRS, or call your accountant. Or your lawyer if you want to play it safe.
    Other people doesn't do or will never do anything, other then wearing pantyhose and tip toeing through the tulips.

    By the way did you call IRS to check.. or you are just believing what Kanti / Kumar / Raj or any other Diamond told you.. Oh another thing that they regularly mention in their trainings "IRS and USCIS don't share data so IRS won't know if you are on H1 or not"... USCIS can ask for your Tax returns before granting Green Card...

    May be you have not received 1099 from Amway yet but the 1099 income on 1040 goes under a separate head "Self Employment"...

    I know you will respond with some nasty stuff but I urge you to take the emotional hat off and think rationally (which I know is very hard as I had faced the same things) about the direction that Amway is taking... especially in Indian community... Do you see many Indian faces these days in the Amway's Inspire magazine or new Rubys, Emeralds, or Diamonds...

    This is a good way to make some residual income (I still get monthly check 4 years after stopping to build it) but millions??? Not many EDCs and Diamonds make that money if you exclude the money from CDs, Books, CommuniKate etc..

    Good luck!





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  • rajsenthil
    05-02 01:33 PM
    If there's ethnic cleansing or genocide happening in sri lanka how come tamils lead prosperous lives in other parts of the country?

    I do not understand what do you mean by this? Can you explain it?



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  • sunty
    02-13 07:23 PM
    Hi,
    I like the idea but I believe at this time it is crucial to continue participation in the letter campaign. If we do not get success through it, I will be glad to participate in the lawsuit. Also, like me, at that time there might be hundreds of people willing to be a part.

    Same here...I did vote yes for the lawsuit but let's wait a little for Admin fixes or the scaled down CIR version (if it happens).





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  • Openarms
    08-17 03:49 PM
    Well - world is definitely a beautiful place. World is beautiful because of beautiful good people. Like there is a saying "How is house different from a home? House maybe be beatiful and big but it is a home ONLY if it is a happy place to live" and making the world our home lies in how we make sure that it is a happy place to live.

    While your approach towards solving the problems is "education" in my opinion education does help, but that is NOT the only factor. Change happens gradually. Don't we all agree that the most educated people might be the biggest "problem creators"


    WRT snathan - he is a personal friend and I know him. He is sympathetic towards poor and downtrodden and wants to fight against injustice etc.....

    To snathan - to understand things in a better perspective, I recommend that you try this. Invite 30 hungry, poor, starving people to your house and provide them with food, education, good life and ask them to seek opportunities to better themselves. You may face the following

    (1) People may get more demanding
    (2) They may fight among themselves
    (3) Some might steal from you
    (4) Some might get into unethical activities
    (5) Some might disrespect you and step over you
    (6) They may show more respect to those who did not care for them and curse you for some silly reason.

    You might find some good people who really do what you intend them to do.

    Why I say this is - there is no GOOD POOR MAN nor BAD RICH MAN - different people behave different in different circumstances.

    Did you know that India's independence struggle, American civil liberty struggle were all funded by rich businessmen - they trusted the leaders and gave a lot of money for campaigns for them to be successful.

    --- Do these things or ASK our SRK/Politicians/Business Tycoons to do -----
    When I say education, you can not just isolate it from mother tree. It is root of the tree... all the branches grow from there...

    Like you said give education for those 30 children born from today and come back after 20 years.. see how their lives would be different for better then those 30 unfortunate children who are unable to have education.


    Give education for an entire generation of kids for 20 years....and let them figure out their problems...don't just feed them, don't just build homes for them...don't need to solve the problems for them.. let them figure out... that is what going on in USA.

    You can not tie INDIA and USA together.... all you are doing is comparing apples to oranges... don't do that...India needs to learn sooooo many things from countries like USA... not comparing to them.



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  • hiralal
    05-31 12:51 AM
    I agree but complete removal of county quota is almost impossible ...diversity is just a name !!! US political system in super advanced in many ways(US contitution was written centuries ago and is much better than Indian ..remember the foreigner becoming PM issue and multi party mess that India has) ..my guess would be that country quota limits were introduced to prevent one country nationals from becoming a eventual majority . ofcourse the migration from south Am is another issue)
    and hence a better bet would be recapture ..





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  • gopinathan
    07-28 08:24 PM
    dude... that is fundamentally incomplete. you should add - "as long as you don't cause discomfort to others or trespass their personal space".. there is a big difference..

    ... No work is small or big , good or bad , work is work.. ... Grow up.



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  • lazycis
    02-15 11:52 AM
    Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.

    Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.

    The purpose was to jump start and find somebody who is willing to help himself/herself. If there is no such person out of 100+ who voted "yes", there is no point in further discussion. I have enough on my plate (I am still helping a number of people fighting in district an appellate courts). Also I think it's easier to discuss it via yahoo group.





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  • docp
    06-03 06:04 PM
    this article says and I quote:
    "Mr. Oppenheim stated that immigrant visa applications at U.S. consulates abroad are down seven percent from FY2008. India will use all the visa numbers that are available to its nationals this fiscal year. This is due, in part, to huge increases in the usage of EB4 and EB5 categories. Applicants from India have used twice the number of visas estimated for FY2009"
    now the only category indians could have used up more numbers is EB1, as that is the only category which is current. and this means that india's normal share about 9600 per year, so an extra 9600 EB1 were issued to india, which sounds improbable. this also contradicts what is said in the next paragraph about EB1 usage.
    "Mr. Oppenheim expects that all EB1 visa numbers will be used before the end of FY2009. This may result in the establishment of a cutoff date for the EB1 categories for India and China, beginning in August or September 2009. Usage in the EB1 worldwide category (listed as "all chargeability areas except those listed") is also higher than expected. This may lead to imposition of a cutoff date toward the end of FY2009"
    it can not have gone to EB2 because as Mr. Oppenheimer puts it
    "The EB2 category worldwide is also expected to be over-subscribed and will exhaust all allocated visa numbers before the end of FY2009. To date, Mr. Oppenheim estimates that 3,200 EB2 India visa numbers have been used in FY2009. The high usage in the EB1 category has prevented the usual trickle of visas to the EB2 category"
    so i dont know what he is trying to say when india has used twice the limit in 2009..i would really appreciate any input.
    ALso can somebody please explain this sentence as well
    "He stated that, due to the dramatic increase in employment-based filings visa cutoff dates for FY2010 will be much more limited to ensure that there will be a steady supply of visa numbers available throughout the year"
    However a later report from USCIS says there is a drastic reductionin I 140 apps,
    also just today AILA released that DOL is processing JULY 2008 PERM cases, so where is this demand by increased filings that Mr. Oppenheimer talking about coming from.
    I am totally confused. senior members please analyze



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  • sk2006
    08-15 03:56 PM
    Your argument sounds like "Yes we do harass our own people here. So there is nothing wrong in harassing other country people"

    Yes people feel harassed but security norms are there for a reason.
    They are not magicians who would look at the face of the person and find if he is a good guy or not. Are they?

    Read this link:

    Don�€™t make a big deal of Shah Rukh�€™s detention:One For The Road:Anand Soondas's blog-The Times Of India (http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/onefortheroad/entry/don-t-make-a-big)

    quote from this link:
    "Interestingly, the same day that SRK was detained in Newark, there came news that the great Bob Dylan, who was wandering around Long Branch, near New York City, sometime back, was asked for an ID by two cops too young to know who he really was. When he couldn’t furnish one, he was taken right back to the resort where he was putting up and staff there vouched for him. And America is Dylan’s own country."
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    "There are two layers to the SRK incident and we must peel them off with care. One, it is quite ridiculous that Indians feel their icons and superstars are everybody’s icons and superstars. What the heck? If Jet Li came to India tomorrow, the man on the street here would probably call him ‘`Chinky’’ and not give a second look. For that matter, what if G�rard Depardieu came travelling. How many would know him? Matt Damon was here recently and there wasn’t a traffic jam in Delhi. These guys are huge back home. Moreover, America doesn’t have a culture of fawning the way India has. Mike Tyson was treated like a common rapist and spent most part of his youth in the slammer. Winona Ryder was sentenced to a three-year probation for shoplifting. Chinese born Hollywood actress Bai Ling was fined US 200 dollars for petty theft.

    More importantly, we are actually aggrieved because we are ``not like them’’. Well, guess what. It isn’t a virtue. We should be like them and take the security of our country and its people with solemn, no-nonsense professionalism.
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    We are just whimpering over here like hurt puppies because we feel, ``Oh, but we don’t do it to them’’. Oh no, we don’t. And it’s a scandal. We should.
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    So instead of making SRK’s detention an issue, we should think of upgrading our own security set-up.
    There’s a lesson in this. And it is a positive one. A day after our own 26/11, there was hardly any security at CST in Mumbai. It can’t get worse than that. The bottom line: Stop fawning, shed the colonial hangover and make no compromise where the country’s safety is concerned."





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  • sameer2730
    06-16 02:14 PM
    Guys,

    Please stop responding to Dilip. He is feeding of our frustrations. If he was still retrogressed he would be singing a different tune but never mind. Every response we give him makes him feel pleasure at our plight. To tell you the truth our plight is not bad. We just like to think it is. We have AC21 option. Remember when you could not file I485 how much you coveted that one option. If the employer withdraws I-140 and we have to file MTR so be it. People come out of it unscathed. It is still a low probability event. Take the bull by the horns and you will come out stronger. Even when you get your GC life's problems will not go away. We still have to fight for a better job, better pay, better quality of living and then we will not have the excuses we have now (Thats how Dilips of the USA are made).

    So lets take pride in ourself, use our options wisely and ignore people like Dilip. He is just pampering him shattered pride by telling himself we cannot get the salary he wants due to H1b , outsourcing .... . He is not worth it.



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  • sidbee
    02-15 02:44 PM
    I dont understand the whole point of discussion here ... What does the IV Senior Members think about this , The idea of a lawsuit to capture the loss immigrant visas, is not against USCIS, its against the system. Infact the USCIS should be on our side, as per the USCIS Ombudsman, Mr .

    Atleast we should try , discussing and cribbing on the forum wont help.





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  • mirage
    04-01 03:28 PM
    Litte correction dude, Hyderabad people know this man from top to bottom, so he's contesting from Moradabad. When he was caught in Match fixing he stoop down to the lowest and made charges like I'm being framed because I'm a Muslim. The traitor forgot he was the captain of our team for so long.
    Azhar visited your post and joined congress.. he is contesting from Hyderabad...

    what have you done gcdreamer05 :D

    can you wish all of us quick GCs too.. looks like your dreams are powerful !!!



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  • surabhi
    07-21 05:35 PM
    That seems to be correct interpretation. This makes me dizzy, too good to be true. :D



    That's because of per country quotas. There may be millions waiting for 15 years under the brothers and sisters category, but once they hit the country limit they are done. The unused numbers may go to brothers and sisters of petitioners from non-backlogged countries. If not, these numbers will flow to EB.

    All FB categories are retrogressed. No category is " Current" so that the visas should spill over. ANd the most recent availability is category 2A.( October, 2003)

    Does this mean there are not enough approvable applications. Doesnt sound right to me with 5 years of minimum retrogression and upto 20 years in case of Philippines for FB category 4.

    Still doesnt make much sense to my how even with USCIS ineffeicienes should there be a spillover.





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  • chanduv23
    06-27 11:26 PM
    First, prove there is a god.

    Is there a birth certificate somewhere? Was it registered timely and does it have the First Name and Last Name for mother father and son?

    Maybe he can get 2 affidavits instead of birth certificate



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  • GCBoy786
    09-27 11:21 AM
    I feel that this will be an excellent idea. Atleast some people will be eliminated from the queue. I believe there are lot of people waiting for their GC to buy a home. It will also benefit them.

    I sent the emails to some of the senators in the list.





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  • deepakjain
    01-22 04:26 PM
    Then please pack your bags and leave the country in the next flight..

    Good Answer, it is easier said then done. Anyone who has been working here without any issues at work place why should he/she leave because of delay in getting GC. Yes we definitely have an uncertain future but that should not stop people like us for staying here, buying house, cars and living a decent life here in US.

    Getting a GC is part of my employment process for staying here for a longer duration without any visa hassles, this should not stop atleast any Indian to live life to the fullest here in US.





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  • fide_champ
    08-17 01:50 PM
    I agree with all of you that this is not worth talking. Instead channelize your efforts in supporting organization to contact lawmakers and make advocacy efforts.

    How is the other one better than this topic?





    unseenguy
    08-16 06:03 PM
    My point is Indians do not have the balls to do it. Forget americans....they can not even touch an indian MP. Every day lots common people going through this security check. Whats so special about SRK. He is king only in his mind/heart. For lot of people he is crap. No special treatment. Whats the big deal if he is detained for 1 hr. The world is not going to end

    Its just highlighting the profiling because of name of religion or skin color. I agree world is not going to end but Indians need to be assertive to protect their own dignity.





    zen
    04-01 03:18 AM
    This is certainly one of the popular thread ..why are we so concerned as to who the next PM will be ..are most of us in the forum so concerned because we may have to pack our bags and return to Mother India ?



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